Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Excellent Outline of HR 3200

Found this one article that outlines the whole 1000 pg bill here:

But it gets a lot worse. The health care you receive will be rationed according to your age, life expectancy, and the expected quality of that life. And this, from page 427: “Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends.”

For these “benefits,” we give up the finest health care in the world!

End of Life stuff here:
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends.


jhillman said...

Healthcare is about preventing and treating health not end of life selection. The government is not God. Our world has already experienced this process with Hitler.

Ordinary said...

You're so hysterical it's affected your eyesight. Re-read the section. The "Advanced Care Planning Consultation" is a conversation between an individual and their doctor about their own choices regarding end of life care. For instance, what sort of life saving measures does THE PATIENT want taken if they have terminal cancer and go into cardiac attest.

The only mandate here is the government's mandate to pay for this VOLUNTARY conversation every 5 years.

Re-read it.

Fearless Leader Sue said...

Oh, this End of Life consultation has cleared my vision and knocked off my rose colored glasses! I can see clearly now! My question to you Ordinary is it necessary for our government to pay doctors for this required 5 year End-Of-Life consultation? Who will be on the panel to make these decisions? My whole point this bill is going to enforce Doctors to discuss this EOL every 5 years on anyone who is 65 and over. It is voluntary but the Doctors will be paid for this EOL interview and an elderly person might not have all their mental capabilities and make the wrong decision.

Helenmary said...

I agree with Ordinary. I've read this over and over. The idea is to have people make these decisions while they DO have their full mental capabilities. People don't have these consultations because they have to pay out of pocket and are on limited income. This is a good thing to be able to offer.

Fearless Leader Sue said...

My whole point is it will establish a panel (and vague as to who will be heading it) to determine End of Life situations. We do not need GOVERNMENT to pay doctors to consult with elderly patients every 5 years! Family members and Doctors can consult with patients about end of life when THEY want to do it. NOT FORCED every 5 years. It says voluntary but Docs get paid and it is a "shall." Likewise we do not need GOVERNMENT to Look at our Checking Accounts and go into our Homes to see how we are raising our children. I read that too. This Bill is total Socialism.